Question:
So (finally) my question: anyone
know of some 401k
administrators that deal with small
companies (less than 50 participants,
less than $500,000 in the current
plan)?
Answer:
So, my first question is whether
you are getting a partial subsidy
from your employer for the billed
administrative expense *OR* if the
plan (and the accounts) are hit
for the administrative fee as well.
The answer to that question
will help determine the next step.
One piece
of reality is that the costs to
administer a 401k
plan do not grow in a linear fashion
based on the number of participants.
There is a high fixed cost
component of administering the plan,
and a much lower cost of accounting
for one additional participant.
So, because of that fact,
the cost per participant of running
a 50 person plan is much higher
than the cost per person of running
a 500 person plan.
A whole bunch
of plan administrators are out there
that work with small
plans.
However, be prepared for the
fact that the "unbundled"
fee will be much higher than what
is currently being paid directly.
Again, who is paying this
fee may have an impact on how important
this is.
Art In my
experience, there are several ways
to accomplish a 401K
plan.
1.You can use a "turn
key" program where the fund
company is the administrator as
well as the provider of the investments.This
sounds like your plan. The
fund company may charge a load (if
you are purchasing front loaded
shares) on the investments purchased
or in the case of some of the companies
that I deal with if you have over
1mill or 200 employees the funds
can be purchased at NAV. If you
stay with your current provider
you might ask about this threshold
and if there is ever a break. By
turn key I mean that they provide
the approved plan documents, provide
the investment selections, and do
all of the administrative reporting
(as well as actuarial functions
like making sure your plan doesn't
become top heavy and remains in
compliance.)
2. Hire a third party administrator
(TPA) and use a brokerage firm to
invest in you selection of investments.
You are the trustee, the brokerage
firm holds a shell account in the
name of the 401Kplan and multiple
accounts FBO each participant. The
administrator coordinates all of
the reporting and legal stuff. In
this case you need to provide the
plan documents yourself. The cost
of a TPA can vary based on the plan
assets, the number of participants
and your location in the US. TPAs
are usually listed in the yellow
pages under pension planning services.
It may be that the 3% cost of administration
is less than that charged by a TPA
until your plan becomes larger.
On the otherhand you could be investing
in no load funds and shop for a
fee based advisor who may be able
to provide the administrative functions.
You will need to crunch numbers
to see which way is best for you.
You also should look at the
fund company your agent has selected
for you to see if there may not
be better (more diverse) selections
available.
I usually deal with smaller companies
and find that the "turn key"
plan is most affordable and less
headache for the trustees.
First of all,
I want to emphasize that you're
fighting an uphill battle here.
Simply having a 401k
at such a small
company is something of a victory.
I can tell you're upset about
the situation, but please take this
in the constructive spirit in which
it's offered. You may not
be getting a bad deal on your 401k
even if you have to pay a 3% load.
An employer match would make
up for it, and the tax advantages
are worth something to you.
To evaluate how good a deal you're
getting from American, you need
to compare several things. The
things to consider are (IMO)
- administrative fees paid by your
employer directly to the company
administering the 401k.
- loads paid by you to the 401k
company - expenses paid by you into
the mutual funds held in the 401k
(the expense ratio in the prospectus).
- number of funds being offered
- employer match, if any.
Obviously, you'd like to move as
much of the first two fees either
to your employer or completely eliminate
them. You also want to minimize
number 3, maximize #'s 4 and 5.
Unfortunately, it's not a
perfect world, so you're not going
to get all those things. If
the administrative fees go up, the
employer match (if there is one)
is likely to go down. If the
number of funds goes up, then the
administrative fees go up, and the
employer match will go down. If
there is no match, and admin. fees
get too onerous, then the 401k
may be discontinued altogether.
Especially important is the
trade-off between 2 and 3. A
no-load fund is still really expensive
if it charges an expense ratio of
2% per year.
Fidelity administers 401k's.
I'm not sure whether they
handle plans
this small,
but I'm sure they can send you a
packet. Vanguard and T Rowe
Price also are in this game. I
don't know whether TIAA CREF handles
401k's,
but you can probably find out from
their web site.
Only by comparing the specifics
of your alternatives to the plan
you've got can you tell whether
or not you can do better. The
3% load by itself, if the alternative
is to have no 401k
at all, doesn't mean that you're
being screwed.
Finally, if you really think the
401k
terms are that bad, and your company
won't change what it's doing, you
don't have to participate. You
can invest in a Roth or invest in
a tax-efficient mutual fund outside
the 401k.
It may be
that the 3% cost of administration
is less than that charged by a -TPA
until your plan becomes larger.
Of course, remember that in the
fact pattern we have that the 3%
is paid by the participants, while
the administration fee is being
paid by the employer. So,
even if the overall cost of administration
is higher than it would be with
a TPA, there would still be the
issue of "selling" this
proposal to the employer. After
all, for both parties it's easier
to spend other people's money.
administrative
fees paid by your employer directly
to the company -administering the
401k.
-- loads paid by you to the 401k
company -- expenses paid by you
into the mutual funds held in the
401k
(the expense -ratio in the prospectus).
-- number of funds being offered
-- employer match, if any. I think
you make an important point here
about the trade-offs involved. Obviously,
from the employee's perspective,
you'd love to have all administrative
fees paid by the employer (with
the administrator being extremely
responsive--daily updates, lots
of top notch people available to
handle questions, etc.--which will
generally mean higher cost <grin-),
no load paid on any investments,
fund expense ratios in the Vanguard
index fund range, a huge number
of funds and extremely generous
employer matches.
Oh yeah--and all salaries equal
to at least $160,000 <grin-.
Of course, an employer might not
feel too good about all of this.
They might prefer a plan with
lowest possible employer costs,
no concern about loads paid by employees
(just as the employees had no concern
about administrative fees paid by
the employer), no concern on expense
ratios, a limited number of funds
(makes life simpler) and no employer
match (costs money).
Most likely, any realistic plan
is going to fall somewhere between
those two extremes.